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I have to ask myself if I believe what I am reading!
Obama’s Christmas gift to Americans: Complete nullification of the Bill of Rights Under the NDAA:
• You may be arrested and indefinitely detained merely for being “suspected” of any involvement whatsoever with “terrorism” — a term that can be twisted to mean almost anything, including protesting against animal testing laboratories or chaining yourself to a tree as an environmental protester.
• You no longer have a right to legal representation.
• You can be held for life without ever being charged for any crime.
• You no longer have a right to a trial by a jury of your peers.
• You can be murdered by the government — legally! — without ever being charged with a crime.
• The government does not have to present ANY evidence against you to take all these actions. The government merely has to assert that you are “suspected” of being involved in “terrorism.” Such suspicion, of course, could be dreamed up against anyone! Political opponents, Free Speech proponents, protesters, dissenters… anyone at all.
283 traitorous, criminal members of the House voted YES The complete list of the traitorous, criminal members of the House who voted YES on this bill — all of which must now be arrested and prosecuted under the laws of the U.S. Constitution — is available here: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/rol
Read these names well, because they will go down in history as the seditious elitists who betrayed the American people in their most desperate hour, unleashing total police state tyranny against the innocent.
That these people in Congress somehow think they have the right to strip away the very freedoms GUARNTEED the American people under the U.S. Constitution is an outright violation of their own sworn oaths to protect that Constitution. It is also a deeply spiritual violation of natural law and a fundamental betrayal of the very principles upon which this country is founded.
We warned ya, and you didn’t listen Here at NaturalNews — and even more so at places like InfoWars.com — we warned you about this very thing, sometimes screaming at the top of our lungs that if we didn’t reverse the Patriot Act and stop the irrational and unrelenting “war on terror,” we would all end up slaves under a system of total government tyranny.
The public laughed and mocked us. “That will never happen in America. We’re a free country,” they insisted. The trolls accused us of fear mongering. The mainstream media said we were crazy.
And now, here we are, with the indefinite military detention bill passed by both houses, and the White House saying it will sign it, granting the military the “administrative right” to kidnap you in the middle of the night, steal you away from your family, throw you in a secret military prison and hold you there for the rest of your life without ever being charged with a crime or given legal representation of any kind.
The time for denial is over, friends. We warned ya! Over and over again, screaming for anyone intelligent enough who might listen, we warned about the Patriot Act, the Bush-era “war on terror,” the government’s false flag 9/11 attack, the secret military prisons, and the criminality of key people within the Obama administration such as Eric Holder who ran Operation Fast & Furious.
We warned you, and you didn’t listen. So now here we are on the verge of the Bill of Rights being nullified by Congress and President Obama, and most of America remains hopelessly asleep at the wheel, having no idea what they have allowed to unfold right in front of them. Tyranny is like a serpent that slithers into your tent, silently and maliciously, coiling around your torso and neck while you sleep. By the time you notice what’s happen and try to scream, it’s already too late.
People will start to “disappear” across America So now, thanks to the NDAA and the Obama administration — which has proven to be a far greater threat to our liberties than even the Bush administration was — people in America will simply “disappear” in the middle of the night, as covert military teams kidnap them, take them away, and torture them — all with the full approval of President Obama who once promised he would close Gitmo.
Close it? Heck, this guy’s planning on filling Gitmo with Americans!
Every President, when sworn into office, swears upon a bible that they will protect and defend the United States Constitution. The NDDA law is a gross violation of that oath to God, and that makes the passage of this act not merely a betrayal of the American people, but a spiritual betrayal to a higher power. And that’s something these members of Congress who voted for this bill will have to answer for.
Their souls are marked for eternity. This is a betrayal of natural law and spiritual truth. It is also, of course, a gross violation of U.S. law and the Constitution itself. That the passage of such a law is even contemplated by members of Congress is, all by itself, such a malicious violation against America that if a law with the exact same wording were proposed in 1789, those who voted for such a law would have been shot on sight and memorialized as criminal traitors to the United States of America.
It only took 222 years for the American people to forget what freedom means, apparently. And now, Americans are so asleep, drugged up and ill-informed that they won’t even speak out against the very government that’s coiling around their necks and strangling them to death.
“It turns out that destroying the American democratic republic was easy to accomplish,” writes David Seaman from BusinessInsider.com (http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa…). “Simply get the three major cable news networks to blather on about useless bull**** for a few days, while legislators meet in secret behind closed doors to rush through the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA), and its evil twin sister, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), which is a clever name for an Internet censorship bill straight out of an Orwellian nightmare.”
Sources for this story include: (must read)
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/rol
http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa
http://www.unitedliberty.org/articl
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/12
http://www.infowars.com/indefinite-
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/ameri
http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytime
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They already have done it. A while ago I read about a drug dealer in Chicago who was able to elude being caught.  The guy took a trip out of the country but when he returned to Chicago the Gestapo .. opps  I mean the DEA held him at an undisclosed location for a month or two.  I just tried to find the complete story  but ….
DHS refuses to release any information under the Freedom of Information Act citing “Security” as the reason for denial.
This seems to have become law enforcements “Wild Card”.  If they can’t find sufficient evidence to charge you with a suspected crime , then they can simply use the wild card to arrest you and keep you without a lawyer or due process.
Don’t say they can’t do it … they already have
We may soon find ourselves in a position where public criticism could get you or your family arrested … I suspect this forum will cease to exist
 
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Civil war is coming…..I suspect the big brother already has us all on their list.
 
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jackx, what is your source of information on that story about the DEA?
 
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ZThere’s gotta be somthinbg we can do. Can’t CONgress do something?
Some kind of recall process. If America was to scream loud enough……
How many Teaparty activists vs how many CONgress people have we? I need to find the C & S  Fax #s again.My e-address is Do I dare publish it again with all the trouble I think they gave?
 
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Rich, try  http://www.gotfreefax.com/
I still want to know the source of information on the DEA involvement Huh?
 
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This issue deserves every bit as much enthusiasm, in opposition, as the health care bill got from the tea party. I do not see any sign of such a movement though, its as if the tea party isn’t that concerned about a blatant treasonistic law being passed right in front of our eyes. Amazing! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
 
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I have seen it posted on Traditional Americans and on TPO forums.  And I’ve received emails from WND, CowboyByte, the AFP submitted petitions against it, and so did Tea Party Patriot – they have a way to submit free petitions. I’ve signed and sent all. Also wrote to my congress members.  The big problem is almost oll of these members are willing to pass it – there are few that are against the bills. HR1540 & SB1867.
 
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I now doubt the weight of petitions, as I have signed many, but have seen no visible impact. I was hoping to see crowds of people willing to repeat the showing that took to DC during the healthcare vote. I would be willing to go and demonstrate for a cause of this magnitude. This legislation is no small matter.
 
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Pat Caddell was on Fox and Friends this morning with an amazing poll result.  64% don’t believe they have any say in how govt works.  83% believe that the American system is rigged.  71% say the govt does not govern with the consent of the governed.  Caddell said that these are pre-revolutionary numbers.  Never has this nation been so angry at their government.  He believes the nation is ripe for a third party.  He also believes that EVERY in$#%bent is in real trouble in the next election.
Me too !!
 
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kroz…my guess is that 60% of the participants in the poll have no idea how gov. works, rigged system is a common description for every institution for most Americans, and I am sure most voters always felt gov. does what it wants all the time. When congress has an approval rating of 9% it doesn’t take much political insight to say this is a perfect time for a third party candidate. The harder question is who is the person who can lead a third party that can attract enough voters from each party and the independents or all voters from one side and the majority of the independents. That’s the trick….there is no such person at this time.
 
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Caddell has been doing polling for decades.  He says that this is by far the worst he has seen.  He was not advocating a third party or revolution.  He simply made the observation.  As of now, you are quite correct, there is no such candidate for a third party run.  I have never advocated a third party.
But we must all realize that the reason Ron Paul is gaining momentum is because he flies in the face of main stream politics.  People are looking for a “none of the above” candidate.  Paul is the only moose on the horizon!!  Voters are EXTREMELY frustrated.  Paul is a loud and clear protest vote!!  In reality he is the “third party” vote.
If you cannot see that this is an aberration to the norm, I don’t know what to say.
 
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kroz…I have recognized from the beginning that Paul has a true following…it is expected that he would do well in IA…maybe not to win but to do well…that is no surprise….the IA caucus fits nicely for a candidate  like Paul it’s the first primary and it gives the the disenchanted voter an opportunity to register their dissatisfaction with the status quo…but after IA…he loses enthusiasm rapidly and the flame goes out…but his 8 to 10% followers will stay with him all the way to the end…where ever that end might take them.
 
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You may be right jwlud.  At this point I am not sure of anything.
I am just judging based upon posts I read on other sites.  I am seeing more and more posters begin to seriously consider Ron Paul.  These are people who would never have voted for Paul in the past.  They don’t like Paul on all the issues, but they believe that he would make radical reformation to our monetary problems and they think that is the foremost issue.   They are willing to cede international relations in favor of domestic reformation.  They strongly believe that the debt will kill us before our foreign enemies.  They believe that Congress would be a tempering affect on Paul and keep him in line.
People are desperately grasping at straws.  They see no satisfactory candidate on the horizon and are willing to throw the dice.  I see this every single day.
 
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I have to ask myself if I believe what I am reading!
Obama’s Christmas gift to Americans: Complete nullification of the Bill of Rights Under the NDAA:
• You may be arrested and indefinitely detained merely for being “suspected” of any involvement whatsoever with “terrorism” — a term that can be twisted to mean almost anything, including protesting against animal testing laboratories or chaining yourself to a tree as an environmental protester.
• You no longer have a right to legal representation.
• You can be held for life without ever being charged for any crime.
• You no longer have a right to a trial by a jury of your peers.
• You can be murdered by the government — legally! — without ever being charged with a crime.
• The government does not have to present ANY evidence against you to take all these actions. The government merely has to assert that you are “suspected” of being involved in “terrorism.” Such suspicion, of course, could be dreamed up against anyone! Political opponents, Free Speech proponents, protesters, dissenters… anyone at all.
283 traitorous, criminal members of the House voted YES The complete list of the traitorous, criminal members of the House who voted YES on this bill — all of which must now be arrested and prosecuted under the laws of the U.S. Constitution — is available here: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/rol
Read these names well, because they will go down in history as the seditious elitists who betrayed the American people in their most desperate hour, unleashing total police state tyranny against the innocent.
That these people in Congress somehow think they have the right to strip away the very freedoms GUARNTEED the American people under the U.S. Constitution is an outright violation of their own sworn oaths to protect that Constitution. It is also a deeply spiritual violation of natural law and a fundamental betrayal of the very principles upon which this country is founded.
We warned ya, and you didn’t listen Here at NaturalNews — and even more so at places like InfoWars.com — we warned you about this very thing, sometimes screaming at the top of our lungs that if we didn’t reverse the Patriot Act and stop the irrational and unrelenting “war on terror,” we would all end up slaves under a system of total government tyranny.
The public laughed and mocked us. “That will never happen in America. We’re a free country,” they insisted. The trolls accused us of fear mongering. The mainstream media said we were crazy.
And now, here we are, with the indefinite military detention bill passed by both houses, and the White House saying it will sign it, granting the military the “administrative right” to kidnap you in the middle of the night, steal you away from your family, throw you in a secret military prison and hold you there for the rest of your life without ever being charged with a crime or given legal representation of any kind.
The time for denial is over, friends. We warned ya! Over and over again, screaming for anyone intelligent enough who might listen, we warned about the Patriot Act, the Bush-era “war on terror,” the government’s false flag 9/11 attack, the secret military prisons, and the criminality of key people within the Obama administration such as Eric Holder who ran Operation Fast & Furious.
We warned you, and you didn’t listen. So now here we are on the verge of the Bill of Rights being nullified by Congress and President Obama, and most of America remains hopelessly asleep at the wheel, having no idea what they have allowed to unfold right in front of them. Tyranny is like a serpent that slithers into your tent, silently and maliciously, coiling around your torso and neck while you sleep. By the time you notice what’s happen and try to scream, it’s already too late.
People will start to “disappear” across America So now, thanks to the NDAA and the Obama administration — which has proven to be a far greater threat to our liberties than even the Bush administration was — people in America will simply “disappear” in the middle of the night, as covert military teams kidnap them, take them away, and torture them — all with the full approval of President Obama who once promised he would close Gitmo.
Close it? Heck, this guy’s planning on filling Gitmo with Americans!
Every President, when sworn into office, swears upon a bible that they will protect and defend the United States Constitution. The NDDA law is a gross violation of that oath to God, and that makes the passage of this act not merely a betrayal of the American people, but a spiritual betrayal to a higher power. And that’s something these members of Congress who voted for this bill will have to answer for.
Their souls are marked for eternity. This is a betrayal of natural law and spiritual truth. It is also, of course, a gross violation of U.S. law and the Constitution itself. That the passage of such a law is even contemplated by members of Congress is, all by itself, such a malicious violation against America that if a law with the exact same wording were proposed in 1789, those who voted for such a law would have been shot on sight and memorialized as criminal traitors to the United States of America.
It only took 222 years for the American people to forget what freedom means, apparently. And now, Americans are so asleep, drugged up and ill-informed that they won’t even speak out against the very government that’s coiling around their necks and strangling them to death.
“It turns out that destroying the American democratic republic was easy to accomplish,” writes David Seaman from BusinessInsider.com (http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa…). “Simply get the three major cable news networks to blather on about useless bull**** for a few days, while legislators meet in secret behind closed doors to rush through the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA), and its evil twin sister, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), which is a clever name for an Internet censorship bill straight out of an Orwellian nightmare.”
Sources for this story include: (must read)
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/rol
http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa
http://www.unitedliberty.org/articl
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/12
http://www.infowars.com/indefinite-
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/ameri
http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytime
http://rt.com/usa/news/anonymous-nd… Stay informed! FREE subscription to the Health Ranger’s email newsletter Get breaking health news + a LIFETIME 7% discount on everything at the NaturalNews Store  Join two million monthly readers. Email privacy 100% protected. Unsubscribe at any time.   

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They already have done it. A while ago I read about a drug dealer in Chicago who was able to elude being caught.  The guy took a trip out of the country but when he returned to Chicago the Gestapo .. opps  I mean the DEA held him at an undisclosed location for a month or two.  I just tried to find the complete story  but ….
DHS refuses to release any information under the Freedom of Information Act citing “Security” as the reason for denial.
This seems to have become law enforcements “Wild Card”.  If they can’t find sufficient evidence to charge you with a suspected crime , then they can simply use the wild card to arrest you and keep you without a lawyer or due process.
Don’t say they can’t do it … they already have
We may soon find ourselves in a position where public criticism could get you or your family arrested … I suspect this forum will cease to exist
 
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Civil war is coming…..I suspect the big brother already has us all on their list.
 
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ZThere’s gotta be somthinbg we can do. Can’t CONgress do something?
Some kind of recall process. If America was to scream loud enough……
How many Teaparty activists vs how many CONgress people have we? I need to find the C & S  Fax #s again.My e-address is Do I dare publish it again with all the trouble I think they gave?
 
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Rich, try  http://www.gotfreefax.com/
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This issue deserves every bit as much enthusiasm, in opposition, as the health care bill got from the tea party. I do not see any sign of such a movement though, its as if the tea party isn’t that concerned about a blatant treasonistic law being passed right in front of our eyes. Amazing! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
 
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I have seen it posted on Traditional Americans and on TPO forums.  And I’ve received emails from WND, CowboyByte, the AFP submitted petitions against it, and so did Tea Party Patriot – they have a way to submit free petitions. I’ve signed and sent all. Also wrote to my congress members.  The big problem is almost oll of these members are willing to pass it – there are few that are against the bills. HR1540 & SB1867.
 
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I now doubt the weight of petitions, as I have signed many, but have seen no visible impact. I was hoping to see crowds of people willing to repeat the showing that took to DC during the healthcare vote. I would be willing to go and demonstrate for a cause of this magnitude. This legislation is no small matter.
 
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Pat Caddell was on Fox and Friends this morning with an amazing poll result.  64% don’t believe they have any say in how govt works.  83% believe that the American system is rigged.  71% say the govt does not govern with the consent of the governed.  Caddell said that these are pre-revolutionary numbers.  Never has this nation been so angry at their government.  He believes the nation is ripe for a third party.  He also believes that EVERY in$#%bent is in real trouble in the next election.
Me too !!
 
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kroz…my guess is that 60% of the participants in the poll have no idea how gov. works, rigged system is a common description for every institution for most Americans, and I am sure most voters always felt gov. does what it wants all the time. When congress has an approval rating of 9% it doesn’t take much political insight to say this is a perfect time for a third party candidate. The harder question is who is the person who can lead a third party that can attract enough voters from each party and the independents or all voters from one side and the majority of the independents. That’s the trick….there is no such person at this time.
 
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Caddell has been doing polling for decades.  He says that this is by far the worst he has seen.  He was not advocating a third party or revolution.  He simply made the observation.  As of now, you are quite correct, there is no such candidate for a third party run.  I have never advocated a third party.
But we must all realize that the reason Ron Paul is gaining momentum is because he flies in the face of main stream politics.  People are looking for a “none of the above” candidate.  Paul is the only moose on the horizon!!  Voters are EXTREMELY frustrated.  Paul is a loud and clear protest vote!!  In reality he is the “third party” vote.
If you cannot see that this is an aberration to the norm, I don’t know what to say.
 
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2011, 10:02:12 AM »
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kroz…I have recognized from the beginning that Paul has a true following…it is expected that he would do well in IA…maybe not to win but to do well…that is no surprise….the IA caucus fits nicely for a candidate  like Paul it’s the first primary and it gives the the disenchanted voter an opportunity to register their dissatisfaction with the status quo…but after IA…he loses enthusiasm rapidly and the flame goes out…but his 8 to 10% followers will stay with him all the way to the end…where ever that end might take them.
 
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You may be right jwlud.  At this point I am not sure of anything.
I am just judging based upon posts I read on other sites.  I am seeing more and more posters begin to seriously consider Ron Paul.  These are people who would never have voted for Paul in the past.  They don’t like Paul on all the issues, but they believe that he would make radical reformation to our monetary problems and they think that is the foremost issue.   They are willing to cede international relations in favor of domestic reformation.  They strongly believe that the debt will kill us before our foreign enemies.  They believe that Congress would be a tempering affect on Paul and keep him in line.
People are desperately grasping at straws.  They see no satisfactory candidate on the horizon and are willing to throw the dice.  I see this every single day.
 
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